Dane County  
Minutes - Final Unless Amended by  
Committee  
CJC-Community Court Advisory Subcommittee  
Tuesday, September 12, 2023  
12:15 PM  
Hybrid Meeting: Attend in person at the City County  
Building in Room 351; attend virtually via Zoom  
A. Call To Order  
Staff present: Tamarine Cornelius, Jonathan Scharrer, Colleen Clark-Bernhardt, Josh  
Schroeder, Karin Peterson Thurlow  
Others present: Norma Gallegos Valles  
Co-Chair Ketcham called the meeting to order at 12:20 PM.  
KAREN REECE attending on behalf of ANTHONY COOPER  
BRANDI GRAYSON attending on behalf of CHARNICE ANDERSON  
14 -  
Present  
CATHERINE DORL, DANA PELLEBON, JOHN BAUMAN, MARIO WHITE, RON  
CHANCE, WESLEY SPARKMAN, LINDA KETCHAM, EVELYN CRUZ, AMY  
BROWN, KIRBIE MACK, ISMAEL OZANNE, CARMELLA GLENN, AARON HICKS,  
and TODD MEUER  
3 - JONATHAN TRIGGS, LISA BURRELL, and SHANNON BLACKAMORE  
Excused  
B. Consideration of Minutes  
MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 29, 2023 COMMUNITY JUSTICE  
COUNCIL - COMMUNITY COURT ADVISORY SUBCOMMITTEE  
Attachments: 2023 MIN-265  
A motion was made by SPARKMAN, seconded by REECE, that the Minutes be  
approved. The motion carried by a voice vote with BROWN and BAUMAN  
abstaining from the vote.  
C. Action Items  
D. Presentations  
There were no action items.  
There were no presentations.  
E. Reports to Committee  
1. Pre-Report Discussion  
Jonathan Scharrer led the pre-report discussion. The initial topic was the location of a  
community court, both during the pilot period and post-pilot. Members made suggestions  
including:  
* near a location of where most offenses being referred occurred;  
* in a supported housing development;  
* a welcoming space;  
* the South side of Madison;  
* the North side of Madison;  
* a location with access to public transportation;  
* a location with access to services such as a library, the public health office, a UW  
partnership, the Urban League, the Multicultural Center, or Urban Triage;  
Judge White pointed out that Wis. Stats. Chapter 68, the Supreme Court Rules,  
specifies the requirements of a court room. Dane County would need permission of the  
Supreme Court to have a court somewhere other than the courthouse.  
Discussion ensued regarding these rules, security, the physical specifications, and  
approaches to proceed. There was discussion regarding having a community court  
process within the courthouse initially in the pilot phase and, at some point, consider a  
separate building with a courtroom included.  
There was general agreement, voiced by co-chairs Pellebon and Ketchum, that it would  
be better to be within the courthouse than have no program at all. Brown pointed out that  
bringing a restorative justice approach in to the courthouse would be a positive step.  
Scharrer indicated that, in the future, technology enhancements could also be  
considered. Ozanne said that the community court judge could initially use their own  
courtroom and there could be the possibility of building something different in unfinished  
space in the courthouse.  
Discussion pivoted to what the location within the courthouse could contain. What  
community supports would be there? How could the space feel like a sanctuary in some  
way, particularly regarding the immigrant community? What does a safe, trauma-informed  
space look like? Chance compared the space to a market place with mobile resources  
present. Discussion ensued regarding the types of services, to include the Job Center  
and others.  
Ozanne spoke of the Red Hook, New York example, saying that security need not be  
oppressive. Discussion continued regarding creation of a welcoming space, with the  
judge level or only slightly elevated from the defendant, the room in colorful tones with  
community-driven art. Glenn spoke of the Heart Model, based on high level training  
regarding welcoming space, a different feel, acknowledgement of the harm caused by the  
system, and a healing space.  
Scharrer will schedule one on one meetings with committee members as he develops his  
report.  
PRE-REPORT DISCUSSION  
Attachments: 2023 RPT-296.pdf  
2. Timeline Highlights  
The Timeline Highlights was before the subcommittee. Colleen Clark Bernhard spoke of  
the work that brought Dane County to the present community court initiative. She  
indicated that she heard the frustration from the previous meeting and honored that. The  
work of the previous committees, from 2008 and 2015 has led the county to the current  
effort, and the federal grant to support a community court.  
Community Court Efforts in Dane County  
Attachments: 2023 PRES-038  
3. Pilot Offenses:  
• System Agency perspective  
• Group Discussion  
Offenses for a pilot of the community court was before the subcommittee. Clark  
Bernhardt pointed out that the grant required the age range to be 17-35 and the offenses  
to be non-violent. In order to determine the initial offenses to be considered, it is  
necessary to hear from agency stakeholders. She presented data on the  
disproportionate offenses for those 17-35, noting that the offenses with the highest  
disparity is operating a vehicle without owner consent (OWOC), as well as drug offenses.  
Public Defender Dorl said the list of offenses were appropriate, and that contempt or  
failure to submit a sample were not critical offenses. She indicated that the community  
may not be open to OWOC, and she wondered how law enforcement would react to  
charges of fleeing being sent to a community court. Success would be measured by the  
willingness of people to enter the program, thereby addressing racial disparities.  
Measures of completion and recidivism in comparison to other groups would also be  
benchmarks. Dorl underscored the need for community buy in.  
District Attorney Ozanne said that reckless endangerment is actually a violent crime and  
could not go to the community court. He has sent OWOC cases to the Community  
Restorative Court or has deferred. One consideration would be whether someone was a  
repeat offender. He would need parameters, and would want to get law enforcement buy  
in. There was discussion regarding charges for those in the car versus those driving, and  
the likelihood that those in the car shared the driving. Ozanne questioned the data on  
the failure to submit DNA, indicating that the numbers may be old because one would  
not be charged until they had blown off the test. Ozanne suggested talking to law  
enforcement regarding resisting arrest, suggesting that there may be a range of behavior.  
He said that lower level drug offenses would be a place to start, particularly those caught  
up in an economic activity rather than addiction.  
Judge White indicated that he was not speaking on behalf of the judicial bench. He said  
he tended to agree with Public Defender Dorl. Contempt of court cases were usually  
child support issues, and the DNA specimen is not worth the time of the court. With  
OWOCs, he sees a number of 17 year olds who generally have juvenile records. He  
believes they would benefit from a community court. White shares Ozanne's concern  
with reckless endangerment, indicating that there's usually some violence. He said that  
resisting an officer could be many things, and it would be more appropriate if serious.  
Charges of simple possession of meth or fentanyl would not be eligible for drug court and  
so appropriate for the community court, as would low level dealers. White said that  
success would be if a person does not commit the same type of crime again. He said  
some police contact could occur, but success would be defendants returning with less  
serious charges; he is looking for progress, not perfection. White said the challenge  
would be community buy in. Victim impact statements show that people are hurt and  
violated, and the program should not be a slap on the wrist. The defendant should do  
hard work and show substantive change.  
Discussion ensued. Brown suggested a survey of victims and defendants asking: does  
this feel like justice?; to victims, did you feel heard?; to defendants, did this help you? If  
healing is a value, then we should ask about it. Clark Bernhardt mentioned the Red  
Hook procedural fairness survey. Glenn indicated an interest in offenses that were most  
disenfranchising, such as OWOCs.  
Discussion continued regarding offenses. Reese indicated an interest in higher level  
offenses and those with monetary fines. There should be a rubric to prioritize offenses  
and the type should grow over time. Ketchum agreed and echoed the need to get people  
to participate. Dorl pointed out that the offense type is one indicator, and there would  
need to be an assessment to make sure community court was a good fit for a  
participant. Clark Bernhardt said the community court coordinator would need to develop  
risk needs responsivity approaches.  
Members discussed disparities, from societal issues to each point in the justice system.  
There was talk of this initial program meeting the constraints of the grant for nonviolent  
offenders, but growing over time with success.  
PERSPECTIVES ON INITIAL PILOT OFFENSES - COMMUNITY  
COURT  
Attachments: 2023 RPT-297.pdf  
F. Future Meeting Items and Dates  
G. Public Comment on Items not on the Agenda  
H. Such Other Business as Allowed by Law  
I. Adjourn  
A motion was made by BAUMAN, seconded by PELLEBON, that the be  
adjourned. The motion carried unanimously.  
Meeting adjourned at 2:15 PM.