Dane County  
Minutes - Final Unless Amended by  
Committee  
CJC-Community Court Advisory Subcommittee  
Tuesday, May 23, 2023  
12:15 PM  
Hybrid Meeting: Attend in person at the City County  
Building in Room 351; attend virtually via Zoom  
A. Call To Order  
The meeting was called to order by PELLEBON at 12:19 pm.  
16 - CATHERINE DORL, DANA PELLEBON, JOHN BAUMAN, JONATHAN TRIGGS,  
RON CHANCE, ANTHONY COOPER, LINDA KETCHAM, EVELYN CRUZ, AMY  
BROWN, KIRBIE MACK, LISA BURRELL, CHARNICE ANDERSON, SHANNON  
BLACKAMORE, CARMELLA GLENN, AARON HICKS, and TODD MEUER  
Present  
3 - MARIO WHITE, WESLEY SPARKMAN, and ISMAEL OZANNE  
Excused  
B. Consideration of Minutes  
May 9, 2023 minutes of the CJC-Community Court Advisory  
subcommittee meeting  
Attachments:  
A motion was made by KETCHAM seconded by MACK that the minutes be  
approved. The motion carried by voice vote.  
C. Action Items  
D. Presentations  
None.  
1. PRESENTATION OF DATA FROM A SYSTEM LENS (CORNELIUS)  
Presentation on Data from a Systems Lens. Presentation examines volume of activity  
with a focus on racially disparate offenses and information on substance use and  
behavioral health issues reviewed. Ballpark annual numbers on data provided on calls  
for service, property & violent crimes, arrests, and new criminal court cases filed.  
Question regarding if data is presented by individuals or events. Question on if data is  
reported by race and ethnicity. Question on if domestic crime cases are included. CCAP  
data used for the presentation. Aggregated by using the violent crime list from the  
Wisconsin Pretrial Project. Question whether a CM case was coded by a violent crime.  
Data limited to ages of 17-35. Question on how the decision and who the people are  
that decide what is considered violent or non-violent?  
Presentation on the 8 most disparate (black/white) non-violent crime categories.  
Question on if analysis included resisting and obstructing an officer. Question on if  
obstruction includes obedience to traffic officers. Question on if charges are just related  
to traffic stops. Question on data on traffic stops and related disparity.  
Question on what charges are considered violent.  
Presentation on geo-location of where individuals with cases on most racially disparate  
crime categories are living. Question on exclusion of job center and county jail and if  
Beacon should also be excluded.  
Presentation on share of all criminal cases that include one of the most disparate  
category of charges. Question on number of people at job center and county jail  
excluded in analysis.  
Presentation on length of stay for cases with most disparate charges. Question on if  
data presented is prior to adjudication. Question on how many cases were paired up  
with a violent offense. Question on what charges are eligible based on Bureau of  
Justice Assistance (BJA) grant requirements. Question on how obstruction to an officer  
is measured in the data.  
Presentation on substance use and mental health and cases with dugs and alcohol.  
Question on if Criminal Traffic (CT) cases reported were repeat operating while  
intoxicated (OWI) offenses.  
Presentation on mental health for people booked in Dane County Jail from pilot program  
to screen mental health issues by the jail from 2021 and 2022. Question on pilot  
assessment conducted in jail and what determining factors exist to consider mental  
health individuals. Question on if assessment is self-reported. Question on if  
self-assessment was given at booking.  
Presentation on additional resources by the Dane County Community Justice Council:  
cjc.countyofdane.com  
Question on racial breakdown and disparity rate on law enforcement contact. Question  
on data collection standards used to identify Latinos in Dane County. Question on data  
reported to the Common Council by the Madison Policy Department as a source to  
investigate. Question on how data is being used to build the community court initiative  
and only being used as it has been done historically at the end rather than upstream.  
Comment on data and how it aligns closely to redlining data. Comment on the data and  
conversations are the same, but what will be different and to understand what the  
different is. Comment on being cautious on the process and not replicating disparity in  
creation of the community court. Comment on difficulty around targeting most disparate  
category given services and public/political using data to guide this initiative. Comment  
on which data categories are paired with violent crimes and ultimately excluded.  
Data from a Systems Lens Presentation  
Attachments:  
This presentation was placed on file.  
E. Discussion  
1. DATA FROM A SYSTEM LENS (CORNELIUS & SHELTON-MORRIS)  
Facilitated discussion on does data mirror the comments given so far and if not, what  
differs. What and whom is missing from these conversations?  
Committee recess for 15 minutes.  
Concern about screener data and collection process on assessing mental health in the  
jail. What are the dynamics around the data presented. What is different and how will  
things change? What is the nuance with the data that has been collected. Data needs to  
be given prior to the meeting to allow members to be reflective and provide thoughts.  
More information on evidence based programs outside of the model of community  
courts that is outside of politics and data collection. Incorporate the context of the data  
presented as to not only emphasize the normative narrative on who commits crime. Can  
the systemic issues be placed in a parking lot to address them in the future if these fall  
are outside the grant objectives. Surprised on the data on alcohol and criminal traffic.  
Data on Hispanic/Latino population should be addressed.  
Cannot take the next step without looking at cases with violent charges in the same  
cases. Concern about examining data only using CCAP. For example, there are two  
municipal courts, Fitchburg Municipal court and Madison municipal court, that see a lot  
non-traffic offenses and it would be important to look at racial/ethnic data breakdowns  
on these cases as well. In addition, it is important to try to avoid CCAP entries and  
paperwork for individuals who will come through the community court and to keep them  
out of this data entry CCAP system. Comment on Fitchburg police stops leveraging  
data from Stanford data on these stops. Comment on being intentional about  
incorporating people of color into these initiatives. Interested in data breakdown by  
17-18 cohort and how much they are driving the numbers.  
2. NEXT STEPS (CLARK-BERNHARDT)  
Comment on next steps for members. Engage with community and agency on the  
following questions:  
What would you say is the most significant factor driving crime in your community?  
What resources would make a difference in addressing root causes of involvement with  
criminal justice?  
What would most help people avoid being involved with criminal activity?  
What would most help victims of crime in your community?  
What words would you use to describe a safe neighborhood and a safe community?  
Questions to ask community and agency prior to next meeting.  
Attachments:  
F. Future Meeting Items and Dates  
This presentation was placed on file.  
1. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS  
Members request staff to share the BJA-Community Court Initiative written grant.  
Future presentation on Triage Center.  
2. NEXT MEETING: JUNE 6, 2023 at 12:15 PM  
In person attendance is requested for this meeting.  
G. Public Comment on Items not on the Agenda  
None.  
H. Such Other Business as Allowed by Law  
None.  
I. Adjourn  
Motion made to adjourn by MACK, seconded by HICKS. Meeting was adjourned  
at 2:00 pm.  
Minutes respectfully submitted by Isabel Anadon, pending formal approval by the CJC-Community  
Court Advisory subcommittee.