Dane County  
Minutes - Final Unless Amended by  
Committee  
Emergency Medical Services - Medical Advisory Subcommittee  
Consider:  
Who benefits? Who is burdened?  
Who does not have a voice at the table?  
How can policymakers mitigate unintended consequences?  
Monday, May 10, 2021  
12:00 PM  
Virtual Zoom Meeting: See top of agenda for  
instructions on how to join the webinar or call in by  
phone.  
A. Call To Order  
Meeting called to order at 12:10pm.  
18 -  
Present  
SCOTT ALLAIN, CHRIS CARBON, PAUL HICK, KACEY KRONENFELD,  
STEPHANIE LEHMANN, MIKE LOHMEIER, MIKE MANCERA, MEL PEARLMAN,  
LISA SCHIMELPFENIG, TINA STRANDLIE, DAN WILLIAMS, MEGAN GUSSICK,  
CORY HROMOTKO, ERIC LANG, JEFF VANBENDAGOM, BRANDON RYAN,  
GREG BAILEY, and AURORA LYBEK  
12 -  
Absent  
SHERRY CASALI, DREW DEAN, KRISTEN DRAGER, TERESA FIEDT, ERIN  
POLKINGHORN, JEFF POTHOF, ERIN RYAN , DAVID PENA, ABIGAIL  
DAHLBERG, DR JOHN AGUILAR, JOSH ROSS, and CHRIS WALTERS  
Guests: Patrick Anderson, Jerry McMullen, Joe Pulvermacher, Jen Roman  
Staff: Carrie Meier, Eric Anderson, Courtney Wassertheurer  
Meeting called to order at 12:10pm  
B. Consideration of Minutes  
MEDICAL ADVISORY SUBCOMMITTEE APRIL 2021 MINUTES  
Attachments: April Minutes  
The minutes were approved.  
C. Discussion Items  
Countywide CARES Data  
Eric Anderson sums up 2020 CARES data. Survival from hospital discharge at 16.7%,  
down slightly from last year but not as dramatically as survival nationwide. County data  
has third highest survival rate in country. Kronenfeld thanks Anderson for the work he's  
been doing and to the providers for continuing to provide excellent service. Lang asks if  
CARES allows them to compare themselves to departments of the same size. Anderson  
asked for this, but there is no way to get that data right now. National data based on  
agencies with at least 200 cardiac arrests a year. Lohmeier asks about the age  
demographic and how much younger, Anderson shares approximately 4 years younger.  
Lohmeier says HPCPR should definitely be continued but was wondering if there is more  
work that can be done for preventative messaging - better diet, more exercise, etc.  
Kronenfeld highlights the importance of bystander CPR and its effects on survival.  
Lohmeier asks about sharing this data with PD since they are often first on scene.  
Kronenfeld adds that DCEMS office is working on expanding the network of AEDs.  
Protocol Update - Stroke/Stemi OHCA/Trauma Coordinator Meetings  
Thought it would be a good idea to meet with Stemi coordinators, thought it would be  
good to start regularly meeting with stroke and trauma coordinators as well. Meier asks  
EMS liaisons on the call to send her contact information for who those people are within  
their organizations. For general protocol update, first meeting with medical directors went  
well. Another two meetings coming up to get through discussion on all the medications.  
The goal is to have all the same medication in each protocol. Ultimate goal is  
consistency to have medications the same, but Dane County EMS goal is still to have  
one protocol for county agencies. The question is if DCEMS office should still have the  
goal of protocol updates being finalized by January 1st of next year. WI scope of practice  
updates will be coming out also, do we postpone to around July to include those  
changes. Goal is to have updates finished by first of year, but decide based on state  
whether or not to publish right away. Kronenfeld adds that the state discussion she's  
heard have significant changes, would not want to publish protocols and then be behind  
state updates. Meier shares that there is a link that has gone out to providers to give  
feedback and there will be two town hall meetings for providers to share their thoughts.  
Radio Report Update  
Conversation came up to combine 800 radio and VHF radio in hospitals to avoid radio  
reports coming in over each other. Instead, decision was made to train providers and  
hospital staff first. Want to train providers to give same information over radio  
consistently and quickly. DCEMS office reached out to hospitals EDs and asked what  
information they would like to get over the radio. Meier shared the general guidelines of  
what was agreed on. Alert colors were removed because it was determined that providers  
interpret the colors differently and caused confusion. Conversation was had about  
different trauma alerts vs color alerts and emphasis on training so all providers  
understand the different levels. Meier to go back to work group to see if something other  
than "red" would alert the ED.  
EMS Week Update  
DCEMS sat down with different hospitals and because of Covid decided to do a modified  
acknowledgement for EMS personnel. Hospitals will be contributing funds to send a gift  
card to every registered EMT in the county with a thank you card. Paul Hick asks if  
hospitals are doing anything like treats or drinks. Meier says they are not, they all agreed  
to go in on this one gift to send a unified message.  
Committee Structure Update  
Subcommittee chairs met with EMS Commission leadership again. Vision is to have  
commission help develop objectives and goals for any subcommittee activities. More  
conversation to be had.  
RAD57  
Lang reached out to Meier to ask about the Rad57s in the hospital ED departments. A  
grant allowed the purchase of these for the hospitals several years ago, but realistically  
they have not been used much and likely forgotten. Questions was if it made more sense  
to have those in the rehab trailers, so Meier asked hospital liaisons to find the Rad57s in  
their ED's. Meier asks subcommittee if that makes sense to have them relocated.  
Schimelpfenig asks if there has been any outreach to EMS agencies to see if they need  
the devices first. Meier says the plan is to ask about them in the annual survey, and  
maybe prioritize getting them to agencies before putting them in rehab trailers. There are  
6 total units. Lang adds that if they go in the rehab trailers they would be happy to take  
them to any scene.  
Coverdell Partnership  
Lohmeier reports stroke team at hospital asked for Coverdell to get mentioned again to  
refocus it in conversations.  
D. Presentations  
E. Reports to Committee  
F. Future Meeting Items and Dates  
G. Public Comment on Items not on the Agenda  
H. Such Other Business as Allowed by Law  
I. Adjourn  
Meeting adjourned at 1:04pm.  
Minutes respectfully submitted by Courtney Wassertheurer.