Dane County  
Minutes - Final Unless Amended by  
Committee  
Emergency Medical Services - Medical Advisory Subcommittee  
Consider:  
Who benefits? Who is burdened?  
Who does not have a voice at the table?  
How can policymakers mitigate unintended consequences?  
Monday, June 14, 2021  
12:00 PM  
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A. Call To Order  
Meeting was called to order at 12:06pm  
15 -  
Present  
SCOTT ALLAIN, CHRIS CARBON, KACEY KRONENFELD, STEPHANIE  
LEHMANN, MIKE LOHMEIER, MIKE MANCERA, MEL PEARLMAN, JEFF  
POTHOF, TINA STRANDLIE, MEGAN GUSSICK, CORY HROMOTKO, ERIC  
LANG, DR JOHN AGUILAR, GREG BAILEY, and AURORA LYBEK  
5 -  
Excused  
Absent  
CHRIS CARBON, KACEY KRONENFELD, JEFF POTHOF, DR JOHN AGUILAR,  
and AURORA LYBEK  
15 -  
SHERRY CASALI, DREW DEAN, KRISTEN DRAGER, TERESA FIEDT, PAUL  
HICK, ERIN POLKINGHORN, ERIN RYAN , LISA SCHIMELPFENIG, DAN  
WILLIAMS, DAVID PENA, ABIGAIL DAHLBERG, JEFF VANBENDAGOM,  
BRANDON RYAN, JOSH ROSS, and CHRIS WALTERS  
Guests: Dr. Lee Faucher, Jerry McMullen  
Staff Present: Carrie Meier, Eric Anderson, Courtney Morency  
B. Consideration of Minutes  
MEDICAL ADVISORY SUBCOMMITTEE MAY MINUTES  
Attachments: May Minutes  
The minutes were approved.  
C. Discussion Items  
Update on Subcommittees  
Was previously discussed at May meeting, will finalize plan at June EMS Commission  
meetings. Would like to overcome challenges like quorum and repetitive meetings for  
same people. Commission would like to pilot taking a “summer hiatus” from holding OPS  
and MAS like usual and instead have the EMS office work on projects with the necessary  
people. Will not be taking anything to County Board or trying to change ordinance yet.  
Final decision will be shared following June EMS Commission meeting. Meier  
emphasizes that everyone’s input is valuable, but want to find a way to make our  
committee structure more efficient. Mancera agrees with Meier’s concerns about having  
doctors/hospital liaisons no longer holding a chunk of time every month to meet. Will  
evaluate this more going forward.  
Protocol Update  
Have met with medical directors to discuss medication. Had town hall meetings, only a  
couple providers showed up. Not sure if this is because messaging wasn’t there or  
because there aren’t too many issues to address. One concern that came up was  
consistency for providers who work on several different agencies. A work group is  
meeting every other week; Meier asks for more participation from end users of the  
protocols in these work groups. An agenda goes out a couple days ahead of time to allow  
for review of protocols before the meetings. Meier shares all the methods the information  
has been disseminated; Lybeck suggests hanging a notice in the EMS rooms at  
hospitals.  
Radio Reports  
Meier shares that they met with two separate groups – first the hospitals and the charge  
nurses that take the reports to ask what they wanted to hear over the radio prior to  
patient arrival, then a larger group with EMS liaisons also met to discuss those  
recommendations. Meier shares most recent draft of proposed radio report protocol.  
Question is whether to change color alert codes to just “alert” rather than "red" "yellow" or  
"green". Meier heard feedback from hospitals that hearing someone say “red” alerted  
them to something high priority, but would like to see a system that allows more  
consistency for coding from field providers. Gussick shares she understands the reason  
for having the conversation, since the color alerts don’t follow triage. Goff asks what the  
objective of this is. Meier says the point of starting these conversations is to make radio  
reports more efficient for hospitals and EMS providers. Emphasis will be on training  
providers on decided protocol. Lohmeier suggests report says “alert” twice to catch  
attention of ED staff. Lang asks how hospitals are going to approach radio report takers  
consistently, especially those who ask follow up questions after a report is given.  
Gussick agrees, and wants to know what questions field providers are asked that are  
irrelevant to pre-hospital care. Lang asks if as a training tool they can partner with the  
Communications Center to get good audio samples of radio reports. Meier confirms that  
is part of the plan. McMullen adds his initial questions when this conversation started was  
why are providers required to give vital signs when a patient is stable. Gussick says this  
is for the sake of triage, and having subjective data in vitals helps. Meier confirms this  
was a discussion with the work groups, but they ultimately decided to include vitals.  
D. Presentations  
E. Reports to Committee  
F. Future Meeting Items and Dates  
G. Public Comment on Items not on the Agenda  
H. Such Other Business as Allowed by Law  
UW Burn Team Dr. Faucher and Dr. Lacey present. Dr. Faucher discuss the UW Health  
Burn and Wound Center. It is the only verified burn center in state of WI. Two other  
hospitals take burns, including St. Mary’s. Full team with a total of 21 sub-specialties.  
Admit over 300 patients a year, a third are 17 and younger. Also offers psychological  
support to patients, including access to SOAR program (Survivors Offering Assistance in  
Recovery). Burn team connecting with EMS partners by holding quarterly burn education,  
pre-burn center handouts, present at WEMSA, etc. Would like to partner with EMS and  
Fire chiefs to message to communities on preventative actions. Asks if anyone has any  
suggestions on how to strengthen partnerships and education opportunities. Can reach  
out to the Burn Program Manager Lori Mickleson at lmickelson@uwhealth.org. Meier  
adds that she know National Night Outs are starting again this year and recommends  
that as a method to engage the public and offers to connect them to those groups. Meier  
to forward contact info out. Strandlie asks if there is information they can get to  
campsites. Dr. Faucher says they’d like to get redacted burn patient reports as examples  
of cases to engage EMS Community. Wants to know what EMS wants to hear  
specifically instead of guessing it. Mancera suggests that because they take such great  
pictures, using those to demonstrate how some minor-looking burns/frostbite start small  
but then turns into a dangerous wound. Meier also suggests information be included on  
monthly newsletter.  
I. Adjourn  
The meeting was adjourned.  
Minutes respectfully submitted by Courtney Morency.